Armor piercing attacks

[Samuraidad]

I wonder if there is a way to make attack powers "armor piercing" (i.e. get through defenses easier). In 4e Champions there was advantage by this name that made defenses against an offensive power only 1/2 effective. And I was wondering if there might be a way to do this in BASH.

One thought I had was to take the intense training power, attack weak point and use it as a power enhancement (and say, lower the cost to 1 pt. to reflect it's application to only that one power vs. all powers that are allowed by the previous). That would seem to work appropriately.

Any thoughts on this?

[Jukeboxer]

How about Special Attack (in reverse), where the attack reduces Soak multipliers, particularly when armor bonuses are in effect? For a broader application of "penetrating", Weaken could be used, I think.

[Samuraidad]

Fascinating thought to use weaken to in essense drain armor. Perhaps "linked" to special attack?

[DeaconAbyss]

Talked to bashman about this before, for normal guns. Im sure it works just as well for powers. Enhancement "Extra Effect": +2DM vs. Armor and/or forcefields. Depending on the GM it could be seperate enhancement or together.

http://bashtalk.org/modules.php?name=Fo ... opic&t=316

[Samuraidad]

Talked to bashman about this before, for normal guns. Im sure it works just as well for powers. Enhancement "Extra Effect": +2DM vs. Armor and/or forcefields. Depending on the GM it could be seperate enhancement or together.

http://bashtalk.org/modules.php?name=Fo ... opic&t=316

Aha! Makes sense! I'm building my Cat powered pc, Ocelot, and he has claws. And I'm toying with making them have such an effect. So, thanks!

[DeaconAbyss]

NP man...not that the other suggestions werent awesome and viable as well.

[BASHMAN]

My way of doing armor piercing is always "Extra Effect; +2DM vs. Armor". I don't apply that to force fields, though (unless said force field is actually the Armor power with the "trappings" of a personal force field).

[Dustland]

I like the simplicity of +2DM vs Armor but it makes the attack more effective against an opponent with Armor 1 than with no armor.

That being said, I'd use the this rule, just have to live with that little quirk.

[DeaconAbyss]

it could possibly be amended to say "upto +2dm to overcome Armor". Meaning, it's a +1DM vs. Armor 1 and +2DM vs Armor 2 and 3.

[Dustland]

I actually like that better but I'm loath to introduce any complexity to the rules in my games. The simplicity of the system is what drew me to it in the first place!

[Samuraidad]

I actually like that better but I'm loath to introduce any complexity to the rules in my games. The simplicity of the system is what drew me to it in the first place!

I think I prefer to keep this simple too. Thx everyone!

[urbwar]

Now how would you handle the opposite (ie preventing the Armor Piercing from working)?

[Lindharin]

Immunity to Armor Piercing would cost 1 pt.

[Lindharin]

Or if you have Armor, you could have Extra Effect vs. Armor Piercing, which costs 1 pt and basically does the same thing.

[CauldronOfEvil]

Have you looked at Pierce Armor (BASH: Sci-Fi, page 17). Seems like the simplest way to do it to me. It may or may not need to be Linked (2pts, BUE38).

I’ve also added . Semi-Armor Piercing: Can be treated as a new Power that costs 2pts and reduces Soak by 1/4th. It cannot be combined with Pierce Armor power.

The problem with the way Champions does it is that it is so cheap it becomes a bidding war. I buy Armor Piercing, they buy Hardened, I buy double Armor Piercing, they buy double Hardened, etc. It just makes it completely pointless.